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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Alucard on Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:22 am

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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  bitspirit on Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:24 am

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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Fuck Yea on Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:28 am

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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Repp on Sat Apr 30, 2011 9:25 pm

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Alucard wrote:
bitspirit wrote:
Alucard wrote:@Bitspirit, GTFO if you have nothing to post.

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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Eddiemeister on Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:18 pm

reppakos wrote:
mark5656 wrote:
bitspirit wrote:
Alucard wrote:
bitspirit wrote:
Alucard wrote:@Bitspirit, GTFO if you have nothing to post.

what do you mean ?
Stop posting pictures.
Just reply when necessary, not to every little comment.

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He's not asskissing, Alucard is completely right. Bit is being immature, posting pics instead of actually arguing.
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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Alucard on Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:25 pm

Eddiemeister wrote:
reppakos wrote:
mark5656 wrote:
bitspirit wrote:
Alucard wrote:
bitspirit wrote:
Alucard wrote:@Bitspirit, GTFO if you have nothing to post.

what do you mean ?
Stop posting pictures.
Just reply when necessary, not to every little comment.

No
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Team members aren't supposed to be ass kissers.

He's not asskissing, Alucard is completely right. Bit is being immature, posting pics instead of actually arguing.
Indeed. Thank you.

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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  NiggerJim on Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:31 pm

Alucard wrote:
Question could be tackled, though, I think its pretty obvious. It comes from within, as I said, Ethics (Morals), concepts such as good and evil, right and wrong etc.
So.. yeah Razz
which brings me to my next question. Do animals have "morals" seeing as they come from "within".
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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Alucard on Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:36 pm

Joninga wrote:
Alucard wrote:
Question could be tackled, though, I think its pretty obvious. It comes from within, as I said, Ethics (Morals), concepts such as good and evil, right and wrong etc.
So.. yeah Razz
which brings me to my next question. Do animals have "morals" seeing as they come from "within".
In my opinion, no, because there's something else within that's missing, which gives them the ability of morals; A useable brain Razz. Even though they have one, its not reliable as much as the human's brain. Animals basically do whatever is possible for them to do so they can survive.

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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  bitspirit on Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:45 pm

Alucard wrote:
Eddiemeister wrote:
reppakos wrote:
mark5656 wrote:
bitspirit wrote:
Alucard wrote:
bitspirit wrote:
Alucard wrote:@Bitspirit, GTFO if you have nothing to post.

what do you mean ?
Stop posting pictures.
Just reply when necessary, not to every little comment.

No
handled like a bauss!
Team members aren't supposed to be ass kissers.

He's not asskissing, Alucard is completely right. Bit is being immature, posting pics instead of actually arguing.
Indeed. Thank you.

LOL what arguing ?
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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Bingofuel on Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:49 pm

Joninga wrote:
Alucard wrote:
Question could be tackled, though, I think its pretty obvious. It comes from within, as I said, Ethics (Morals), concepts such as good and evil, right and wrong etc.
So.. yeah Razz
which brings me to my next question. Do animals have "morals" seeing as they come from "within".

I don't think morals come from within actually because they are constructed through socialisation. Example: How do you know whats right and wrong if you don't have anybody telling you what is right and wrong. In every group there is a institutionalised vision which differs from other groups: If you live in a family/social group where stealing and violence is legitimated than you might have a totally different vision about what's right and what is wrong.

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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  NiggerJim on Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:15 pm

Alucard wrote:
Joninga wrote:
Alucard wrote:
Question could be tackled, though, I think its pretty obvious. It comes from within, as I said, Ethics (Morals), concepts such as good and evil, right and wrong etc.
So.. yeah Razz
which brings me to my next question. Do animals have "morals" seeing as they come from "within".
In my opinion, no, because there's something else within that's missing, which gives them the ability of morals; A useable brain Razz. Even though they have one, its not reliable as much as the human's brain. Animals basically do whatever is possible for them to do so they can survive.
Surely animals do at least a few things that aren't essential for survival. I agree they don't have morals but imo its to do with their lack of emotions.
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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Dein on Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:22 pm

I have a theory on how morals came about.


Caveman Joe went around and raped and beat up caveman Jimmy & caveman John.


So caveman Jimmy & caveman John came together and caveman Jimmy said "It hurts me when he does those things to me, and i want it to stop." Caveman John agreed, so they went to caveman Joe and told him to stop. But caveman Joe replied "Why should i stop? I like raping and beating you up, and there is no reason to stop!"

Caveman Jimmy & caveman John realised this, so they sat down to think. Suddenly, caveman Jimmy came up with an idea. "Hey, what if we put him in a cage if he doesn't stop next time we tell him to? Then he won't be able to hurt us!" Caveman John thought this was a great idea, so they went over to caveman Joe, and told him to stop. But caveman Joe didn't stop. So Caveman Jimmy & caveman John threw him in a cage for 1 year. When he came out, he never raped or beat them up again.
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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  NiggerJim on Sun May 01, 2011 12:26 am

Dein wrote:I have a theory on how morals came about.


Caveman Joe went around and raped and beat up caveman Jimmy & caveman John.


So caveman Jimmy & caveman John came together and caveman Jimmy said "It hurts me when he does those things to me, and i want it to stop." Caveman John agreed, so they went to caveman Joe and told him to stop. But caveman Joe replied "Why should i stop? I like raping and beating you up, and there is no reason to stop!"

Caveman Jimmy & caveman John realised this, so they sat down to think. Suddenly, caveman Jimmy came up with an idea. "Hey, what if we put him in a cage if he doesn't stop next time we tell him to? Then he won't be able to hurt us!" Caveman John thought this was a great idea, so they went over to caveman Joe, and told him to stop. But caveman Joe didn't stop. So Caveman Jimmy & caveman John threw him in a cage for 1 year. When he came out, he never raped or beat them up again.
But the thing about that is to do half of the things they did then they would have need morals anyway.I think morals must be inherent than how you have portrayed it.Also,was raping really needed in this tale,it didn't give me the best mental images Smile
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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Dein on Sun May 01, 2011 12:35 am

Joninga wrote:
Dein wrote:I have a theory on how morals came about.


Caveman Joe went around and raped and beat up caveman Jimmy & caveman John.


So caveman Jimmy & caveman John came together and caveman Jimmy said "It hurts me when he does those things to me, and i want it to stop." Caveman John agreed, so they went to caveman Joe and told him to stop. But caveman Joe replied "Why should i stop? I like raping and beating you up, and there is no reason to stop!"

Caveman Jimmy & caveman John realised this, so they sat down to think. Suddenly, caveman Jimmy came up with an idea. "Hey, what if we put him in a cage if he doesn't stop next time we tell him to? Then he won't be able to hurt us!" Caveman John thought this was a great idea, so they went over to caveman Joe, and told him to stop. But caveman Joe didn't stop. So Caveman Jimmy & caveman John threw him in a cage for 1 year. When he came out, he never raped or beat them up again.
But the thing about that is to do half of the things they did then they would have need morals anyway.I think morals must be inherent than how you have portrayed it.Also,was raping really needed in this tale,it didn't give me the best mental images Smile

You don't need morals to know what hurts, and what doesn't. And i guess putting caveman Joe in a cage had something to do with the fact that they thought it was morally ok. But there was no other choice if they wanted him to stop. So i guess in that situation, morals were born out of necessity. And yes, rape was absolutely vital to advance the plot.
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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Eddiemeister on Sun May 01, 2011 12:40 am

Bingofuel wrote:
Joninga wrote:
Alucard wrote:
Question could be tackled, though, I think its pretty obvious. It comes from within, as I said, Ethics (Morals), concepts such as good and evil, right and wrong etc.
So.. yeah Razz
which brings me to my next question. Do animals have "morals" seeing as they come from "within".

I don't think morals come from within actually because they are constructed through socialisation. Example: How do you know whats right and wrong if you don't have anybody telling you what is right and wrong. In every group there is a institutionalised vision which differs from other groups: If you live in a family/social group where stealing and violence is legitimated than you might have a totally different vision about what's right and what is wrong.

Bingo is COMPLETELY right. If you have a dog and you yell at him everytime he barks or bites, he will understand it's wrong and will not do it anymore. As Bingo put it, morals have to be taught and not found on your own. If you leave a kid with a pack of wolves for 15 years, he will not understand it's wrong to bite people because his wolf family has taught him otherwise. (Btw, this is true. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-503736/Werewolf-boy--snarls-bites--run-police-escaping-Moscow-clinic.html)

But no matter what you teach a dog or any other animal, the animal won't be able to process that information and apply it to other things. For example, if you teach the animal not to bark, it won't understand it's not allowed to bite because it has just learnt one thing that stays in their mind but isn't applied to other similar situations. At least that's what I think XD
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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Repp on Sun May 01, 2011 1:40 am

Eddiemeister wrote:
reppakos wrote:
mark5656 wrote:
bitspirit wrote:
Alucard wrote:
bitspirit wrote:
Alucard wrote:@Bitspirit, GTFO if you have nothing to post.

what do you mean ?
Stop posting pictures.
Just reply when necessary, not to every little comment.

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Team members aren't supposed to be ass kissers.

He's not asskissing, Alucard is completely right. Bit is being immature, posting pics instead of actually arguing.

I think mark was reffering to bit.
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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  bitspirit on Sun May 01, 2011 2:22 am

reppakos wrote:
Eddiemeister wrote:
reppakos wrote:
mark5656 wrote:
bitspirit wrote:
Alucard wrote:
bitspirit wrote:
Alucard wrote:@Bitspirit, GTFO if you have nothing to post.

what do you mean ?
Stop posting pictures.
Just reply when necessary, not to every little comment.

No
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Team members aren't supposed to be ass kissers.

He's not asskissing, Alucard is completely right. Bit is being immature, posting pics instead of actually arguing.

I think mark was reffering to bit.
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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Teashi on Sun May 01, 2011 3:35 am

Lmao, we had an argument on animals and morals in school the other day. I agree with Bingo, you ultimately need to teach an animal morals. We were asked "Can dogs be racist?" and most of the class had varied answers.

Basically; No, they can't be. Similar to what Bingo said, you'd have to teach them to be racist against certain people (However this would only work with darker/lighter skinned people, as they only see black and white). The only way they could be naturally racist or hateful is through fear, if that is natural anyways.

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Post  Fuck Yea on Sun May 01, 2011 8:54 am

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Post  Repp on Sun May 01, 2011 6:02 pm

Teashi wrote:Lmao, we had an argument on animals and morals in school the other day. I agree with Bingo, you ultimately need to teach an animal morals. We were asked "Can dogs be racist?" and most of the class had varied answers.

Basically; No, they can't be. Similar to what Bingo said, you'd have to teach them to be racist against certain people (However this would only work with darker/lighter skinned people, as they only see black and white). The only way they could be naturally racist or hateful is through fear, if that is natural anyways.

I want to meet the guys from your class.
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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Alucard on Sun May 01, 2011 7:39 pm

Bingofuel wrote:
Joninga wrote:
Alucard wrote:
Question could be tackled, though, I think its pretty obvious. It comes from within, as I said, Ethics (Morals), concepts such as good and evil, right and wrong etc.
So.. yeah Razz
which brings me to my next question. Do animals have "morals" seeing as they come from "within".

I don't think morals come from within actually because they are constructed through socialisation. Example: How do you know whats right and wrong if you don't have anybody telling you what is right and wrong. In every group there is a institutionalised vision which differs from other groups: If you live in a family/social group where stealing and violence is legitimated than you might have a totally different vision about what's right and what is wrong.
Oh, I agree there. Ye convinced me Razz.
Teashi's post clarified it more as well.


Dein wrote:I have a theory on how morals came about.


Caveman Joe went around and raped and beat up caveman Jimmy & caveman John.


So caveman Jimmy & caveman John came together and caveman Jimmy said "It hurts me when he does those things to me, and i want it to stop." Caveman John agreed, so they went to caveman Joe and told him to stop. But caveman Joe replied "Why should i stop? I like raping and beating you up, and there is no reason to stop!"

Caveman Jimmy & caveman John realised this, so they sat down to think. Suddenly, caveman Jimmy came up with an idea. "Hey, what if we put him in a cage if he doesn't stop next time we tell him to? Then he won't be able to hurt us!" Caveman John thought this was a great idea, so they went over to caveman Joe, and told him to stop. But caveman Joe didn't stop. So Caveman Jimmy & caveman John threw him in a cage for 1 year. When he came out, he never raped or beat them up again.
LOL!
Nicely put XD.

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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Bingofuel on Sun May 01, 2011 8:38 pm

Alucard wrote:
Bingofuel wrote:
Joninga wrote:
Alucard wrote:
Question could be tackled, though, I think its pretty obvious. It comes from within, as I said, Ethics (Morals), concepts such as good and evil, right and wrong etc.
So.. yeah Razz
which brings me to my next question. Do animals have "morals" seeing as they come from "within".

I don't think morals come from within actually because they are constructed through socialisation. Example: How do you know whats right and wrong if you don't have anybody telling you what is right and wrong. In every group there is a institutionalised vision which differs from other groups: If you live in a family/social group where stealing and violence is legitimated than you might have a totally different vision about what's right and what is wrong.
Oh, I agree there. Ye convinced me Razz.
Teashi's post clarified it more as well.



I was more referring to humans!! (look at Eddie's example)

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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Alucard on Mon May 02, 2011 12:09 am

Bingofuel wrote:
Alucard wrote:
Bingofuel wrote:
Joninga wrote:
Alucard wrote:
Question could be tackled, though, I think its pretty obvious. It comes from within, as I said, Ethics (Morals), concepts such as good and evil, right and wrong etc.
So.. yeah Razz
which brings me to my next question. Do animals have "morals" seeing as they come from "within".

I don't think morals come from within actually because they are constructed through socialisation. Example: How do you know whats right and wrong if you don't have anybody telling you what is right and wrong. In every group there is a institutionalised vision which differs from other groups: If you live in a family/social group where stealing and violence is legitimated than you might have a totally different vision about what's right and what is wrong.
Oh, I agree there. Ye convinced me Razz.
Teashi's post clarified it more as well.



I was more referring to humans!! (look at Eddie's example)
I'm aware of that Razz.
Just pointed out that Teashi's post, is somewhat related to yours, just in an animals world. Overall, surroundings & even people show us right & wrong eh?

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