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Post  Alucard on Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:13 pm

Ethics definition: Ethics, also known as moral philosophy, is a branch of philosophy that addresses questions about morality—that is, concepts such as good and evil, right and wrong, virtue and vice, justice, etc.

This whole topic is based on personal opinion, as I see my Ethics, rather, my Morals, different than someone else etc.
The whole point of this topic is seeing on what basis do people live.
Nothing more to it.
Ethics somewhat define a persons life, because of Ethics, you know one's principles, thus, knowing how to act with the person pretty much.

Had a debate about Ethics once, really interesting. & here are some of the questions that we tackled.
  • Is acting morally necessary for happiness?
  • Should we act morally only because it is to the overall advantage to society?
  • Are all human actions unconsciously and egoistically motivated?
  • Can religious ethics be consistent with philosophical ethics?


This topic might fail :3

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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  bitspirit on Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:38 pm

  • Is acting morally necessary for happiness?
No.
  • Should we act morally only because it is to the overall advantage to society?
No.
  • Are all human actions unconsciously and egoistically motivated?
Yes but its consciously just no one admits it.
  • Can religious ethics be consistent with philosophical ethics?
Probably yes.
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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Alucard on Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:42 pm

bitspirit wrote:
  • Is acting morally necessary for happiness?
No.
  • Should we act morally only because it is to the overall advantage to society?
No.
  • Are all human actions unconsciously and egoistically motivated?
Yes but its consciously just no one admits it.
  • Can religious ethics be consistent with philosophical ethics?
Probably yes.

....
Its not just question and answer..

Its why do you believe so? I'm not going to argue with you like, "Hey! That's wrong!".
As I said, its nice knowing peoples principles. We could learn from each other Heh.

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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  bitspirit on Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:06 pm

Alucard wrote:
bitspirit wrote:
  • Is acting morally necessary for happiness?
No.
  • Should we act morally only because it is to the overall advantage to society?
No.
  • Are all human actions unconsciously and egoistically motivated?
Yes but its consciously just no one admits it.
  • Can religious ethics be consistent with philosophical ethics?
Probably yes.

....
Its not just question and answer..

Its why do you believe so? I'm not going to argue with you like, "Hey! That's wrong!".

As I said, its nice knowing peoples principles. We could learn from each other Heh.

It is for me there you learned something bout me be happy Wink
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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  NiggerJim on Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:40 am

Alucard wrote:Ethics definition: Ethics, also known as moral philosophy, is a branch of philosophy that addresses questions about morality—that is, concepts such as good and evil, right and wrong, virtue and vice, justice, etc.

This whole topic is based on personal opinion, as I see my Ethics, rather, my Morals, different than someone else etc.
The whole point of this topic is seeing on what basis do people live.
Nothing more to it.
Ethics somewhat define a persons life, because of Ethics, you know one's principles, thus, knowing how to act with the person pretty much.

Had a debate about Ethics once, really interesting. & here are some of the questions that we tackled.
  • Is acting morally necessary for happiness?
  • Should we act morally only because it is to the overall advantage to society?
  • Are all human actions unconsciously and egoistically motivated?
  • Can religious ethics be consistent with philosophical ethics?


This topic might fail :3
Another question you might ask is where do ethics come from Smile
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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Eddiemeister on Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:56 am

Is acting morally necessary for happiness?
- Nope. If one is truly happy through killing people and actually believe it's right - like all those people that Hitler brainwashed - then morals aren't really necessary.

Should we act morally only because it is to the overall advantage to society?
- Hell yeah. I'm not saying all people should be identical but we should all have a little similarity. Otherwise the world would be way off. And this is also what religion do - gives us different perspectives and ethics that then collide.

Are all human actions unconsciously and egoistically motivated?
- I think yes. Even a good person's. "I will give poor people 100 million in cash." He does it because he cares of them but also, by giving them the money, he feels as if he has contributed, his social status shoots up and by helping the world becoming a better place, he's helping himself, eventually.

Can religious ethics be consistent with philosophical ethics?
-Yep. I think that most of our ethics come from religion. At the time of the Faraos, they treated people like shit because treating them otherwise would do nothing to them anyway. So even if one isn't religious, you have been affected.
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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Bingofuel on Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:45 pm

Eddiemeister wrote: Is acting morally necessary for happiness?
- Nope. If one is truly happy through killing people and actually believe it's right - like all those people that Hitler brainwashed - then morals aren't really necessary.

Should we act morally only because it is to the overall advantage to society?
- Hell yeah. I'm not saying all people should be identical but we should all have a little similarity. Otherwise the world would be way off. And this is also what religion do - gives us different perspectives and ethics that then collide.

Are all human actions unconsciously and egoistically motivated?
- I think yes. Even a good person's. "I will give poor people 100 million in cash." He does it because he cares of them but also, by giving them the money, he feels as if he has contributed, his social status shoots up and by helping the world becoming a better place, he's helping himself, eventually.

Can religious ethics be consistent with philosophical ethics?
-Yep. I think that most of our ethics come from religion. At the time of the Faraos, they treated people like shit because treating them otherwise would do nothing to them anyway. So even if one isn't religious, you have been affected.

I agree with this, and:
Should we act morally only because it is to the overall advantage to society?
Yes, and that is a fact. The law is based on morals. That's why it's globally acclaimed that acting morally is good for the society. But if you reread the question there^ you see the word ONLY and meh acting morally also has other advantages as well Heh

Are all human actions unconsciously and egoistically motivated?
No, why?? If everybody acted egoistically than the world would be a biatch.There are some human actions that are unconscious (refers to Freud and his ethos& thanatos) and I also think about when people sleepwalk and I also have a vid about a blind man who trusts his unconsious mind to avoid obstacles. Btw its called blindsight. He can see withput his eyes



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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Eddiemeister on Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:12 am

Bingo, I have no idea what your second answer had to do with anything.

Btw, the man can see. He has a camera at eye height that records and that camera is attached to a wire with a metal plate that is put on his tongue. That way he can "see" with his tongue that understands the signals sent from the camera.
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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Bingofuel on Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:56 am

Eddiemeister wrote:Bingo, I have no idea what your second answer had to do with anything.

Btw, the man can see. He has a camera at eye height that records and that camera is attached to a wire with a metal plate that is put on his tongue. That way he can "see" with his tongue that understands the signals sent from the camera.

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btw If you don't believe it google "blindsight" He uses his brains to avoid obstacles because he can't see anything on his retina.. And he relies on his unconscious mind to avoid stuff. Why? because he acts using his instinct.

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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Eddiemeister on Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:07 am

Bingofuel wrote:
Eddiemeister wrote:Bingo, I have no idea what your second answer had to do with anything.

Btw, the man can see. He has a camera at eye height that records and that camera is attached to a wire with a metal plate that is put on his tongue. That way he can "see" with his tongue that understands the signals sent from the camera.

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btw If you don't believe it google "blindsight" He uses his brains to avoid obstacles because he can't see anything on his retina.. And he relies on his unconscious mind to avoid stuff. Why? because he acts using his instinct.

... If you can't see the object then you can't avoid it without hearing, sensing, smelling or tasting it's position. There's no such thing as "using instinct" if you can't see it xD
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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Teashi on Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:16 am

Eddiemeister wrote:
Bingofuel wrote:
Eddiemeister wrote:Bingo, I have no idea what your second answer had to do with anything.

Btw, the man can see. He has a camera at eye height that records and that camera is attached to a wire with a metal plate that is put on his tongue. That way he can "see" with his tongue that understands the signals sent from the camera.

Sarcasm Hurr
btw If you don't believe it google "blindsight" He uses his brains to avoid obstacles because he can't see anything on his retina.. And he relies on his unconscious mind to avoid stuff. Why? because he acts using his instinct.

... If you can't see the object then you can't avoid it without hearing, sensing, smelling or tasting it's position. There's no such thing as "using instinct" if you can't see it xD

There are some unique people out there, Eddie, don't close your mind to what some people can do. Its very possible.

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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  bitspirit on Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:19 am

The thing is he can "see" its not his eyes that are not working its the brain signals its different from being blind
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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Teashi on Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:13 am

bitspirit wrote:The thing is he can "see" its not his eyes that are not working its the brain signals its different from being blind

You just said the opposite of what Bingo said.

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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Bingofuel on Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:15 am

Teashi wrote:
bitspirit wrote:The thing is he can "see" its not his eyes that are not working its the brain signals its different from being blind

You just said the opposite of what Bingo said.

Partially, He doesn't see what we see, he trust on his sense/instinct!
He doesn't get an image projected on his retina like us. But his eyes still "work" and send signals to his brains which he trust somehow..

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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Teashi on Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:16 am

Bingofuel wrote:
Teashi wrote:
bitspirit wrote:The thing is he can "see" its not his eyes that are not working its the brain signals its different from being blind

You just said the opposite of what Bingo said.

Partially, He doesn't see what we see, he trust on his sense/instinct!
He doesn't get an image projected on his retina like us. But his eyes still "work" and send signals to his brains which he trust somehow..

So its as if he's seeing the image, but he really isn't? Thats almost like another sense :3

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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Bingofuel on Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:19 am

Teashi wrote:
Bingofuel wrote:
Teashi wrote:
bitspirit wrote:The thing is he can "see" its not his eyes that are not working its the brain signals its different from being blind

You just said the opposite of what Bingo said.

Partially, He doesn't see what we see, he trust on his sense/instinct!
He doesn't get an image projected on his retina like us. But his eyes still "work" and send signals to his brains which he trust somehow..

So its as if he's seeing the image, but he really isn't? Thats almost like another sense :3
yeh it is like another sense.. Kinda weird but interesting if you ask me

Check this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7794783.stm

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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  bitspirit on Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:21 am

Teashi wrote:
Bingofuel wrote:
Teashi wrote:
bitspirit wrote:The thing is he can "see" its not his eyes that are not working its the brain signals its different from being blind

You just said the opposite of what Bingo said.

Partially, He doesn't see what we see, he trust on his sense/instinct!
He doesn't get an image projected on his retina like us. But his eyes still "work" and send signals to his brains which he trust somehow..

So its as if he's seeing the image, but he really isn't? Thats almost like another sense :3
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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Teashi on Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:23 am

Bingofuel wrote:
Teashi wrote:
Bingofuel wrote:
Teashi wrote:
bitspirit wrote:The thing is he can "see" its not his eyes that are not working its the brain signals its different from being blind

You just said the opposite of what Bingo said.

Partially, He doesn't see what we see, he trust on his sense/instinct!
He doesn't get an image projected on his retina like us. But his eyes still "work" and send signals to his brains which he trust somehow..

So its as if he's seeing the image, but he really isn't? Thats almost like another sense :3
yeh it is like another sense.. Kinda weird but interesting if you ask me

Check this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7794783.stm

See, thats just epic. I love learning about these kinds of things! Like, I love learning about how colorblind people see the world as opposed to me. Thanks for that ;3

And no bit, I'm not being a smartass. Only to you.

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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  bitspirit on Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:28 am

Teashi wrote:
Bingofuel wrote:
Teashi wrote:
Bingofuel wrote:
Teashi wrote:
bitspirit wrote:The thing is he can "see" its not his eyes that are not working its the brain signals its different from being blind

You just said the opposite of what Bingo said.

Partially, He doesn't see what we see, he trust on his sense/instinct!
He doesn't get an image projected on his retina like us. But his eyes still "work" and send signals to his brains which he trust somehow..

So its as if he's seeing the image, but he really isn't? Thats almost like another sense :3
yeh it is like another sense.. Kinda weird but interesting if you ask me

Check this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7794783.stm

See, thats just epic. I love learning about these kinds of things! Like, I love learning about how colorblind people see the world as opposed to me. Thanks for that ;3

And no bit, I'm not being a smartass. Only to you.
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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Teashi on Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:31 am

bitspirit wrote:
Teashi wrote:
Bingofuel wrote:
Teashi wrote:
Bingofuel wrote:
Teashi wrote:
bitspirit wrote:The thing is he can "see" its not his eyes that are not working its the brain signals its different from being blind

You just said the opposite of what Bingo said.

Partially, He doesn't see what we see, he trust on his sense/instinct!
He doesn't get an image projected on his retina like us. But his eyes still "work" and send signals to his brains which he trust somehow..

So its as if he's seeing the image, but he really isn't? Thats almost like another sense :3
yeh it is like another sense.. Kinda weird but interesting if you ask me

Check this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7794783.stm

See, thats just epic. I love learning about these kinds of things! Like, I love learning about how colorblind people see the world as opposed to me. Thanks for that ;3

And no bit, I'm not being a smartass. Only to you.

I'll take that as a compliment.

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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  bitspirit on Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:33 am

Teashi wrote:
bitspirit wrote:
Teashi wrote:
Bingofuel wrote:
Teashi wrote:
Bingofuel wrote:
Teashi wrote:
bitspirit wrote:The thing is he can "see" its not his eyes that are not working its the brain signals its different from being blind

You just said the opposite of what Bingo said.

Partially, He doesn't see what we see, he trust on his sense/instinct!
He doesn't get an image projected on his retina like us. But his eyes still "work" and send signals to his brains which he trust somehow..

So its as if he's seeing the image, but he really isn't? Thats almost like another sense :3
yeh it is like another sense.. Kinda weird but interesting if you ask me

Check this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7794783.stm

See, thats just epic. I love learning about these kinds of things! Like, I love learning about how colorblind people see the world as opposed to me. Thanks for that ;3

And no bit, I'm not being a smartass. Only to you.

I'll take that as a compliment.
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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Teashi on Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:36 am

bitspirit wrote:
Teashi wrote:
bitspirit wrote:
Teashi wrote:
Bingofuel wrote:
Teashi wrote:
Bingofuel wrote:
Teashi wrote:
bitspirit wrote:The thing is he can "see" its not his eyes that are not working its the brain signals its different from being blind

You just said the opposite of what Bingo said.

Partially, He doesn't see what we see, he trust on his sense/instinct!
He doesn't get an image projected on his retina like us. But his eyes still "work" and send signals to his brains which he trust somehow..

So its as if he's seeing the image, but he really isn't? Thats almost like another sense :3
yeh it is like another sense.. Kinda weird but interesting if you ask me

Check this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7794783.stm

See, thats just epic. I love learning about these kinds of things! Like, I love learning about how colorblind people see the world as opposed to me. Thanks for that ;3

And no bit, I'm not being a smartass. Only to you.

I'll take that as a compliment.

I just did a barrel roll.

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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Bingofuel on Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:42 am

Teashi wrote:
Bingofuel wrote:
Teashi wrote:
Bingofuel wrote:
Teashi wrote:
bitspirit wrote:The thing is he can "see" its not his eyes that are not working its the brain signals its different from being blind

You just said the opposite of what Bingo said.

Partially, He doesn't see what we see, he trust on his sense/instinct!
He doesn't get an image projected on his retina like us. But his eyes still "work" and send signals to his brains which he trust somehow..

So its as if he's seeing the image, but he really isn't? Thats almost like another sense :3
yeh it is like another sense.. Kinda weird but interesting if you ask me

Check this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7794783.stm

See, thats just epic. I love learning about these kinds of things! Like, I love learning about how colorblind people see the world as opposed to me. Thanks for that ;3


you're welcome!! Chee

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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  Alucard on Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:11 am

Joninga wrote:Another question you might ask is where do ethics come from Smile
Question could be tackled, though, I think its pretty obvious. It comes from within, as I said, Ethics (Morals), concepts such as good and evil, right and wrong etc.
So.. yeah Razz


Are all human actions unconsciously and egoistically motivated?
I agree with Eddi. He said it nicely.
Ego, ego... Residing in all humans, done by all.


Teashi wrote:
Bingofuel wrote:
Teashi wrote:
bitspirit wrote:The thing is he can "see" its not his eyes that are not working its the brain signals its different from being blind

You just said the opposite of what Bingo said.

Partially, He doesn't see what we see, he trust on his sense/instinct!
He doesn't get an image projected on his retina like us. But his eyes still "work" and send signals to his brains which he trust somehow..

So its as if he's seeing the image, but he really isn't? Thats almost like another sense :3
Awesome. Who knew something like that was that much reliable.
Instincts FTW.


@Bitspirit, GTFO if you have nothing to post.

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Re: Ethics: On What Basis?

Post  bitspirit on Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:18 am

Alucard wrote:@Bitspirit, GTFO if you have nothing to post.

what do you mean ?
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